Winds of Change and Vanquishing - Guild Wars Forums

Pugs Not Drugs · Jul 11, 2011, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Does completing Winds of Change permanently change the mobs in certain explorable areas? I ask because I think the new mobs in WoC are much harder than the old Canthan mobs, so is it worth holding out on doing the quests until I get my Canthan vanquisher title?

Outerworld · Jul 11, 2011, 03:50 PM // 15:50

If it's anything like WiK then the mobs should go away once WoC is finished, so it depends whether you want to wait for stages 2 and 3 to come around and then complete them.

Tom Swift · Jul 11, 2011, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Outerworld

If it's anything like WiK then the mobs should go away once WoC is finished, so it depends whether you want to wait for stages 2 and 3 to come around and then complete them.

However, since we do not know that for sure and do not know when parts 2/3 will be released I would strongly encourage people to err on the side of caution.

Once you complete the quest for an area, the mobs in that area do change from then on for that for that particular character.

So, if vqing or going for cartography, do NOT do the woc quests for a given area. Also keep in mind that some afflicted bosses will no longer appear. While it seems that they have been replaced with other bosses with the same elites, you might want to finish capping before doing woc as well.

Also, be aware that if anyone in the party has finished the woc quest for the area, it will spawn the new mobs. So if you are looking to use a high level character to help another person or account with certain quests then don't do the woc quests on that character.

Pugs Not Drugs · Jul 11, 2011, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

However, since we do not know that for sure and do not know when parts 2/3 will be released I would strongly encourage people to err on the side of caution.

Once you complete the quest for an area, the mobs in that area do change from then on for that level of that area for that particular character. So completing the nm quest for chos estate, for instance, will mean that from then on the nm explorable area will produce high level scavenger mobs instead of the low level mobs that were there before. But the explorable will still produce the original mobs in hm until the hm version of the quest is competed also.

So, if your concern is vanquishing, then you are safe completing all the quests in nm version on your vq character - you will still be able to vq in hm with the old mobs. However, if your concern is cartography without vq then I would wait to do the nm version of beginner island until you have completely mapped the whole area.

Also, be aware that if anyone in the party has finished the woc quest for the area, it will spawn the new mobs. So if you are looking to use a high level character to help another person or account with certain quests then don't do the woc quests on that character.

aAright, thanks for the great reply. I am glad I didn't do the quests on my VQ character. :P

mage767 · Jul 11, 2011, 06:22 PM // 18:22

For a long time, people complained that Hard Mode was too easy. Well, guess what folks, ANET has delivered a demo of Hell Mode with this update in the WoC HM 4-man area called Minister Cho Estate. /end dramatization

Back to topic: VQ entire noob island of Cantha before you do any WoC quest.

Yol · Jul 11, 2011, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

So, if your concern is vanquishing, then you are safe completing all the quests in nm version on your vq character - you will still be able to vq in hm with the old mobs. However, if your concern is cartography without vq then I would wait to do the nm version of beginner island until you have completely mapped the whole area.

This is incorrect. I completed all the WoC quests in NM on my ele, and then to check I entered Shadow passage in HM and it was full of Jade Brotherhood or Am Fah (I forget). No afflicted. The old mobs are replaced when you finish the NM version of the quest in that explorable.

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Back to topic: VQ entire noob island of Cantha before you do any WoC quest.

I agree.

Tom Swift · Jul 11, 2011, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Yol

This is incorrect. I completed all the WoC quests in NM on my ele, and then to check I entered Shadow passage in HM and it was full of Jade Brotherhood or Am Fah (I forget). No afflicted. The old mobs are replaced when you finish the NM version of the quest in that explorable.

Ouch you are correct - I must have had one of the woc hm quests active when I went into the area before so that the afflicted for the quest spawned and I thought they were just the regular mobs spawning.

So - DO NOT DO THE QUESTS IF YOU HAVE NOT YET VQED AN AREA!

changing my old post to correct it.

Pyros Akali · Jul 12, 2011, 09:40 AM // 09:40

I'll hijack the thread since I was wondering the same thing, but about the other Beyond GW storylines, should I VQ all of kryta before starting WiK, or are there specific zones I should VQ only since maybe they're not all affected? What about Heart of the North?

Yol · Jul 12, 2011, 11:44 AM // 11:44

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Originally Posted by Pyros Akali

I'll hijack the thread since I was wondering the same thing, but about the other Beyond GW storylines, should I VQ all of kryta before starting WiK, or are there specific zones I should VQ only since maybe they're not all affected? What about Heart of the North?

I recommend vanquishing Kryta before starting WiK. For Talmark Wilderness, however, it doesn't really matter as WiK doesn't really alter the spawns that much. Vanquishing Krytan areas in HotN as Keiran doesn't contribute to the vanquisher title, as far as I'm aware.

sixdartbart · Jul 12, 2011, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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So - DO NOT DO THE QUESTS IF YOU HAVE NOT YET VQED AN AREA!

Or if you have a favorite plagueborn chest that you like to run from time to time...

FoxBat · Jul 12, 2011, 11:05 PM // 23:05

While nothing is known at this point, story-wise it's likely to be very different from WiK. The mantle spawns vanish because they were defeated at the battle for lion's arch. The afflicted spawns are replaced because the afflicted have been exterminated, and it's not exactly easy to un-exterminate them. While the am fah or scavengers or whatever might be replaced or nulled (no spawn) or something else in the future, the old afflicted spawns are very unlikely to return.

AngelWJedi · Jul 13, 2011, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

While nothing is known at this point, story-wise it's likely to be very different from WiK. The mantle spawns vanish because they were defeated at the battle for lion's arch. The afflicted spawns are replaced because the afflicted have been exterminated, and it's not exactly easy to un-exterminate them. While the am fah or scavengers or whatever might be replaced or nulled (no spawn) or something else in the future, the old afflicted spawns are very unlikely to return.

i wish it would be like wik. i have no plans on doing the quests hm. we should only have to do the quests nm to procede to part 2 and three hopefully. but on the other hand i want to be able to vanq facs and do the woc quests too.

Da Kenster · Jul 13, 2011, 12:19 AM // 00:19

I was thinking it might be funny if after the WoC, they had Nick require an afflicted drop that all the people who cleared out the afflicted can't get, heh.

tghoodoo · Jul 13, 2011, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Yol

This is incorrect. I completed all the WoC quests in NM on my ele, and then to check I entered Shadow passage in HM and it was full of Jade Brotherhood or Am Fah

Are u serious??? what a bunch of crap! my chest running spot just lost a chest because of this new WoC! I miss my afflicted! i want them Back! Rage Post!!!

Dewshine Wildclaw · Jul 13, 2011, 12:34 PM // 12:34

I might be wrong here... but it should be safe to do the nm quests and still have the old vanqs, since the areas are only altered in hm if you also do the quests in hm. So you might not have to wait with WoC till you vanquish it all... but you might want to avoid doing the same quests in hm.
Thats the impression wiki gave me anyway, not checked it as such myself yet.

@Da Kenster: if that happens Im glad that I wont be using all my chars to do WoC 1-3 chars max, then I still have 7 chars to farm afflicted on. Or people could farm a mission, eternal grove or something... there is ways around it

Not unlikely that Nicks spawns will get messed up though... recall a few times with wik where you either had to have it active or not active for him to appear, because he was only there in one version of the map. So might be best to keep a char that doesn't do WoC...

Yol · Jul 13, 2011, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Are u serious??? what a bunch of crap! my chest running spot just lost a chest because of this new WoC! I miss my afflicted! i want them Back! Rage Post!!!

It's character-based, not account-based, so if you want to keep a certain chest-running location you'll just need a another character to do it.

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I might be wrong here...

You are.

KotCR · Jul 13, 2011, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Da Kenster

I was thinking it might be funny if after the WoC, they had Nick require an afflicted drop that all the people who cleared out the afflicted can't get, heh.

Thought that at first too, but then I remembered you'd still be able to fight them in the missions, so actually, it's fine.

Vizunah Square mission is probably the best place to load up on afflicted drops anyway.

However, Nick should still be a concern, as if he's scheduled to appear in certain areas in Factions at later dates, then the altered spawns might cause him to not appear (the same way I hear the two explorable area armour crafters in Kaineng City are now missing), so that something Anet are going to have to be on the lookout for

EDIT: Ahh, didn't see Dewshine's comment there, he beat me too it. Nevermind.

peter81 · Jul 13, 2011, 02:00 PM // 14:00

What about quests ? I farm a lot Halcyon Job - can it be change somehow by WoC ?

Yol · Jul 13, 2011, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by peter81

What about quests ? I farm a lot Halcyon Job - can it be change somehow by WoC ?

Boreas Seabed explorable hasn't been included in WoC yet, so Halcyon Job should be unaffected so far.

Dewshine Wildclaw · Jul 13, 2011, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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You are.

Then I got that bit smarter. Thanks for telling lol
Not really a worry of mine so I just read what wiki said, and although wiki is a friend it can be wrong or misunderstood.

Jul 11, 2011, 03:17 PM // 15:17	#1
Pugs Not Drugs Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2009	Winds of Change and Vanquishing Does completing Winds of Change permanently change the mobs in certain explorable areas? I ask because I think the new mobs in WoC are much harder than the old Canthan mobs, so is it worth holding out on doing the quests until I get my Canthan vanquisher title?

Jul 11, 2011, 03:50 PM // 15:50	#2
Outerworld Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: UK Guild: Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns] Profession: W/	If it's anything like WiK then the mobs should go away once WoC is finished, so it depends whether you want to wait for stages 2 and 3 to come around and then complete them.

Jul 11, 2011, 06:22 PM // 18:22	#5
mage767 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Guild: LOVE Profession: Me/E	For a long time, people complained that Hard Mode was too easy. Well, guess what folks, ANET has delivered a demo of Hell Mode with this update in the WoC HM 4-man area called Minister Cho Estate. /end dramatization Back to topic: VQ entire noob island of Cantha before you do any WoC quest.

Jul 12, 2011, 09:40 AM // 09:40	#8
Pyros Akali Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2011 Profession: D/	I'll hijack the thread since I was wondering the same thing, but about the other Beyond GW storylines, should I VQ all of kryta before starting WiK, or are there specific zones I should VQ only since maybe they're not all affected? What about Heart of the North?

Jul 12, 2011, 11:05 PM // 23:05	#11
FoxBat Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Amazon Basin [AB] Profession: Mo/Me	While nothing is known at this point, story-wise it's likely to be very different from WiK. The mantle spawns vanish because they were defeated at the battle for lion's arch. The afflicted spawns are replaced because the afflicted have been exterminated, and it's not exactly easy to un-exterminate them. While the am fah or scavengers or whatever might be replaced or nulled (no spawn) or something else in the future, the old afflicted spawns are very unlikely to return.

Jul 13, 2011, 12:19 AM // 00:19	#13
Da Kenster Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: A shoebox Guild: The Boat Crew Profession: W/E	I was thinking it might be funny if after the WoC, they had Nick require an afflicted drop that all the people who cleared out the afflicted can't get, heh.

Jul 13, 2011, 12:34 PM // 12:34	#15
Dewshine Wildclaw Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Planet Earth Guild: Weapons Of Tyria [WoT] Profession: R/	I might be wrong here... but it should be safe to do the nm quests and still have the old vanqs, since the areas are only altered in hm if you also do the quests in hm. So you might not have to wait with WoC till you vanquish it all... but you might want to avoid doing the same quests in hm. Thats the impression wiki gave me anyway, not checked it as such myself yet. @Da Kenster: if that happens Im glad that I wont be using all my chars to do WoC 1-3 chars max, then I still have 7 chars to farm afflicted on. Or people could farm a mission, eternal grove or something... there is ways around it Not unlikely that Nicks spawns will get messed up though... recall a few times with wik where you either had to have it active or not active for him to appear, because he was only there in one version of the map. So might be best to keep a char that doesn't do WoC...

Jul 13, 2011, 02:00 PM // 14:00	#18
peter81 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: HHG Profession: W/N	What about quests ? I farm a lot Halcyon Job - can it be change somehow by WoC ?